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Unread 01-07-2001, 11:20 PM
Pain management appt was a waste/VENT

Hi All.

I was going to write this sooner, but I have been so down since my appt with the stupid pain in the butt pain specialist. I had my consultation (if you could call it that) on Thursday. Needless to say, I think ladies, I wasted my time. Here's how.

I went first and pre registered and filled out forms. Then the nurse came in, and checked my vitals and what not. Then the doc came in. He was nice, at first. Asking me questions about my pain and feeling around for tenderness. Then..the shoe dropped.

He started delving into my personal past. I have painful skeletons there I'd rather let reside there. I don't care to talk about them (I was both abandoned by mother and physically abused by father). Well, when the doc asked me if I had been either sexually or physically abused, I said yes to the physically abused and no to the sexually abused. But I re-iterated the fact that I had dealt with those issues since being down here in north carolina. It just made me squirm talking about it.

So...then he says that my physical problems seem to stem from my abuse issues of the past as a result of me not dealing with them fully (which I think is a crock of monkey crap). He then proceeds to tell me that if I don't start taking sessions with my psychologist again, he is refusing to treat me for the pelvic pain or try to help me find out the whys in all this.

He then tells me that he's finished with me, unless I agree to go the psychologist for therapy. He leaves, and I break down. I get dressed and tell my friend Angela that I was ready to get the heck out of there.

I am so frustrated. What makes it worse, it seems like many of my family members feel the same way the pain doc does. So..I don't discuss it anymore. I just seem to bury how I really feel about the situation. It makes me mad at myself.

I find myself right now, not wanting to do any more. I don't want to fight it anymore. I don't want to keep digging for the solution. I want my life back, but in the process, I keep getting knocked down or disappointed.

As far as what the doc said, I don't want to believe that I'm making this up. That I'm all screwed up inside my head. I don't want to believe that all the crappy stuff that I went through as a kid is now manifesting itself into physical pain. I know I'm not crazy, and I know I'm not a hypochondriac. I know my pain is real. It's got to be real.

I called my gynecologist and left a message for him to call me at either home or work so I could talk him about what went down at my appt.

I've cried a lot this past week. I'm hoping that in time, things will get better.


All I ask is to be lifted up. My spirits are low..

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Unread 01-08-2001, 01:38 AM
Pain management appt was a waste/VENT

Geez, Dani, this guy sounds like a looney. Did he offer to read the lumps on your head, or drag out a crystal ball, too? I'm so sorry you had to be disappointed like that.

I can see how emotional stuff could make symptoms seem worse, or harder to ignore - like being bitten by a snake might "hurt" more than being bitten by a cat - but causing all your problems - that's pushing it just a bit.

I'd complain to your insurance company that he refused to help you (you shouldn't have to pay him, IMHO), find another specialist, and put this goofball behind you.

Dani, I've hear of woman after woman who've finally found the real source of their pain, after years of being told it was nothing, and they were just imagining it. Please don't let one whacko doctor discourage you or slow your search for help. See if there are pain support groups or any other place you can go to find people in your area who might be able to direct you to someone who can help you.

((((HUGS)))) to you! I hope you are able to get effective help soon.
Unread 01-08-2001, 04:09 AM
Pain management appt was a waste/VENT


I am so sorry that you had to go through this. I agree, I can't see how your past could be the "cause" of your pain. Physical pain is REAL, and it is so frustrating to be told that it is all in your head.

Please put this behind you and find someone else. There are plenty of doctors out there in this world and there IS one that will be willing to help you.

We are here for you ....... sending lots of {{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}
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Unread 01-08-2001, 07:05 AM


U need to check this out:

I had one bozo tell me when I was 21 years old that my abd. pain (that made me faint and throw up) was due to the "trauma" of me leaving my first husband! Geez! It was MY idea, and trust me...there was NO trauma involved. You need to read the link above and see if it sounds familiar - go the the "supposed pain clinic" section -- they can hook you up with people who really want to help. This ******* should be sued for practicing ameteur psychology without a license.

The next time a gyno asks you questions that have nothing to due with your immenent health (ancient history pop-psychology questions)....take my advice...and LIE.

BTW: Not less than two days later I had an ovarian cyst rupture. It bled out into my abdoment for three full days while this looney kept insisting I see a shrink. I finally had to go to an ER out of county who properly diagn. the problem and off to surgery I went....

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Unread 01-08-2001, 10:14 AM
Pain management appt was a waste/VENT


I am so sorry that the so calles dr treated you in such a way. I would call your insurance company and complain about him. I would'nt give up on the account of this looney dr. Your pain is real. You will be in my prayers.

Unread 01-08-2001, 12:31 PM
Pain management appt was a waste/VENT

Hi Dani, I"m so sorry to read about your appt. this sounds similiar to the load of crap the urologist was trying to feed me and I agree that you are just better of finding another doctor, please don't give up....but do take a break, I know how you feel going from doctor to doctor and getting disappointed...sometimes we need to take a step back and have a little rest...and when we feel strong again we can go back in swinging

Your pain is real and you shouldn't have to justify it to anyone......hang in there, remember you aren't alone...there is alot of us going through the same thing and we can get through it together....I wouldn't bother lying about your history if they ask again since it is probably documented in your charts...but you are absolutely free to tell them that you disagree with it being involved in your pain and see another doctor....

We're all here for you Dani, hang in ther hun
Unread 01-08-2001, 08:54 PM
another case of pain with real basis

Just ran across this while searching Medline. Abstract of the abstract--loose ligaments holding stuff up may mean the nerve gets stretched which makes it hurt, or as the author puts it:
Nonorganic pelvic pain has frequently been attributed to psychological factors. However, the results suggest that this may be a T12-L1 parasympathetic pain referred to the lower abdomen, perhaps due to the force of gravity stimulating pain nerves unable to be supported by the lax uterosacral ligaments in which they are contained.

TITLE: Severe chronic pelvic pain in women may be caused by ligamentous laxity in the posterior fornix of the vagina.
AUTHOR AFFILIATION: Department of Gynaecology, Royal Perth Hospital, Western Australia.
SOURCE: Aust N Z J Obstet Gynaecol 1996 Aug;36(3):351-4
CITATION IDS: PMID: 8883767 UI: 97038173
ABSTRACT: The aim was to prospectively study the relationship between pelvic pain of otherwise unknown origin and laxity in the posterior vaginal fornix. Twenty-eight patients with negative laparoscopy findings, lower abdominal pain and laxity in the posterior ligamentous supports of the uterus underwent surgical approximation of their uterosacral ligaments. At 3-month review, 85% of patients were cured, and at 12 months, 70%. Nonorganic pelvic pain has frequently been attributed to psychological factors. However, the results suggest that this may be a T12-L1 parasympathetic pain referred to the lower abdomen, perhaps due to the force of gravity stimulating pain nerves unable to be supported by the lax uterosacral ligaments in which they are contained. It was concluded that laxity in the posterior ligaments of the vagina should first be excluded before referring patients with pelvic floor discomfort or pain for psychiatric care.
Unread 01-09-2001, 07:07 AM

My uterosacral nerves were clipped 2/3 the way thru when I was 25. At the time I was vomiting, faiting, and had frequent, painful diarreha -- after they clipped them, I no longer fainted regularly due to the pain...just an fyi. But, let me say this, you'd better get someone who knows what they're doing! My doctor at that time was WONDERFUL...unfortunately she's retired now.

All that psych stuff is crap. It's a panacea for lax research and lazy doctors. This had nothing to DO with YOU Dangirl2...and for what it's happens every day to women with pelvic pain -- you were not singled out -- there are docs out there who aren't total just have to look far and wide to find them...

This is a bit off topic, but did you know that in OH and KY that it's actually illegal to doctor shop? You can be prosecuted for it (how STUPID! is that?). Does anyone have info on these laws? I want to prevent such barbarism in TN (it's bad enough now!).

Danigirl2: Please find another doc -- if you need help located someone who doesn't have cranial-rectal disorder (head up the a**) - contact me and I'll get on the horn with some endo folks who just might know some pelvic specialists in your area.

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