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Unread 04-12-2008, 03:34 PM
Some encouragment for all of you

Thanks. It was really nice of you to post this message of hope. You made my day!
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Unread 04-12-2008, 04:55 PM
Some encouragment for all of you

Patti - regarding the massage, I had thought that in order to get a massage you had to be able to lay on your stomach, and so that is why I didn't go in sooner than I did. But, then my personal trainer suggested i go and get massage twice a week to speed up teh healing process. My trainer told me that you can get massage while laying on your side. That was a light bulb moment for me. haha.

So, i went and just laid on my side and on my back, and it worked great!! I now can lay on my stomach...

Anyway, so if anyone is wanting a massage to work out the tight and sore muscles from recovery, but think you can't get one because of your abdomen, you definitely can... you just have to communicate very well to teh massage therapist where NOT to touch, and that you cannot lay on your stomach... it is well worth the money.

I am sure a verticle incision is much harder to recover from than a bikini cut.... at least to me it seems like it.
Unread 04-12-2008, 06:57 PM
Some encouragment for all of you

Ok - this is just what I needed - you have no idea! I had a TVH with bowel and bladder repair in January 2007. I have been a competitive long distance trail runner forever (since I was 12) and am now 42 . The first thing my gynecologist said was 'no more running'. It is in my blood...I swim, mountian bike, play volleyball, snowboard, but nothing gives me total joy and pleasure like a long hard run. I find myself looking at hills along the highways in our regional forests areas and it's all I can do not do get out and just tear up the thing and whoop at the top.
I have coached and ran an adult trail running club since 2000 and after surgery had to turn it over to someone else. I still meet with the group regularly to cross-country ski or mountain bike (season depending) while they run but...
Okay - enough background. This morning I met them as usual, my bike had a flat and I said to heck with it and just ran. Euphoria.

So here I am. Dr says no. Husband says listen to the doc. I say
I just want to run. They say, you'll pay for it later. Apparently when you've had bowel and bladder repair the jarring of the body from running can cause things to tear and fall again and then there's not much one can do to fix it. Do I want to be an physically challenged Oma with a plug up her wazoo and not able to be active at all??!! and so the conversation goes. I say Humph!

I have to say also that my bowel and bladder have had nothing but problems since the operation...IBS, abdominal pain, bladder control issues etc. I carry on regardless but I really need am educated answer from someone other than my gynecologist (who is full of himself and treats me without care, personality or concern) and who has a runner"s heart.

Finding this website today has been so encouraging on one hand but also confusing. I'm reading about my fellow runners which is awesome, but also read the note from FitbugFitness under the "Calling any sisters that are Runners" page. She is a personal trainer and a fitness instructor but not a runner. I was hoping she would say something different. Have a read.

Is there anyone out there who is qualified to give an opinion on this and who IS a runner? It's easier to take from someone with the same genes.

So, there it is. That's my spiel. Thanks for taking the time to read the ramblings.
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Unread 04-12-2008, 07:45 PM
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Hi Trailrunner....

I have running in my blood, too! I just love to run, and it's part of me and who I am. I completely understand how you feel in terms of wanting to run, and longing to run.

I did not have the repairs you did, so I really cannot offer advice on your exact situation. I was never told by my doctor I could not run again, but like I said, i did not have the repairs you did.

Have you tried going to a different doctor?

I injured my knee pretty badly (from running) 2 years ago, and had to have knee surgery. Before I had the knee surgery, i went to one Orthopedic doctor who told me I needed surgery (which I agreed with), but he also said I have ended my running career, and I'd would not be able to run again. I picked myself up and went to a different orthopedic doctor. The orthopedic doctor i went to first who told me no more running was HIGHLY recommended to me and I know he was a good doctor, but he was not an athlete himself, and i don't think he looked at the whole picture.

I found a second orthopedic surgeon and he also agreed I needed surgery. I was upfront with him and I told him if he told me I would never be able to run again, I would go for a 3rd opinion. haha!! (can you tell I'm stubborn.) I HAD decided in my mind that if this second doctor said no more running and I went to a 3rd doctor and that doctor said no more running, then I'd give in and figure running was over.

But, the second doctor I went to was a sports injury orthopedic surgeon and he was a runner himself. He told me with proper physical therapy and follow strict insturctions during healing, he said I would be able to run again! Music to my ears.

I underwent my surgery.... went through PT... followed doctor's orders to THE "T", and I was up and running again.... today, my knee feels perfect. No problems at all. I have often wanted to go back to that first doctor and tell him I'm running again and he was wrong.

I will say, it was pure determination on my part to get my knee back into running shape, but i did. I think a lot of people would have thrown in the towel, but I wasn't willing to give up something I love to do. I had an awesome PT, too.

I KNOW a knee is COMPLETELY different than the bladder and bowel. haha... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.... haha... BUT, my point of telling you this is that maybe if you went to a doctor (gynecholgist, or urologist, or gastro.... one of those types of doctors) and did some reasearch and found a doctor in the field that deals with the repairs you had that is a sports doctor, or a sports advocate doctor, maybe you'd get some different advice.

I hope someone here can give you a success story if they had the same repairs as you and they are running fine now. Hopefully there is someone out there for you!

i wish I could TELL you that you should have no problems running, but I don't have the personal experience to make that statement valid, so I say look for a second opinon from a doctor who understands a runner!

Hang in there... I know it's so tough. There were times during my recovery when I couldn't even walk at my normal pace yet, and I'd see runners run on the street, and I'd just get sad because I would think that maybe I'd never run again...

I have a personal trainer, and he has helped me a ton get to where I am now (meaning, running after surgery).

Let us know if you figure out an answer. I know there definitely are some women on this board who are runners and have it in their blood!

nothing keeps me from running.... not the cold, the rain, snow... I've even ran on black ice... not a smart thing to do....but I did it. so, I hear you sister!!!

Take care!!

Hang in there!
Unread 04-12-2008, 07:50 PM
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ps.... just wanted to say that trail running kicks my butt!!! I am a street runner. But, there are a lot of awesome running trails around where I live, and I'm part of a group of runners, but in the summer, once a week, we hit the trails just for different training, and man... what a workout that is! You use muscles you normally don't use when running on the streets.

I'm sure you are in amazing shape!

Again, I hope you can find an answer!
Unread 04-12-2008, 08:46 PM
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Hey Loves to Run. I never thought I'd get a reply this quickly - technology is amazing, no?!
Thanks for your encouragement - It feels good just to chat with others who understand! Gynecologists around here are in very short supply so we're usually stuck with whoever we get. That said - you've given me a second wind and I'm going to get out there and do what you did. Go after a second and a third opinion. If after that it's still no, I'll be smart and accept. I want no physically challenged Oma with a plug in my forecast!
I smiled when I read "nothing keeps me from running...not the cold, the rain, snow... I've even ran on black ice... not a smart thing to do....but I did it." My kind of girl.
Keep enjoying your weekly bout on the trails - I'll be thinking of you!
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
Unread 04-12-2008, 09:35 PM
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Trailrunner -

I have running in my blood too!! I have been a runner forever. I mostly street run, but I also trail run with friends just for fun. So I did not have the same procedeures as you but I had a TVH in Nov. Following that I had a series of major complications which ended up with an abdominal surgery in Feb to remove ovaries, tubes, appendix and do lots of bowel repairs + blood transfusions. I was 9 weeks out from surgery last Friday and I am running!! Ok - so it is more like a slow jog at this point but I am also going to boot camp 3 hours a week. I like you enjoy all kinds of exercise but I am certifiably an ADDICT when it comes to running.

My Dr told me that even with all the surgery and repairs I had I could get back at it. My only problem now is holding myslef back!! I want to just fly down the street......but I'm trying so hard not to overdo. I don't want any injuries as just before my TVH I was not running nursing a calf injury (from running).

I agree with LTR - get some other opinions. Maybe call a local college and ask them who they use for sports injuries etc. That Dr would probably have an idea as at some point you know they have rehabilitated a female athlete that has had female issues.

Good luck to you - I so understand where you are coming from. Even with all the crap I have been through with this surgery nothing would break my heart more than someone telling me I couldn't run again!!


Unread 04-13-2008, 08:01 AM
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Wow - it sounds like you have been through the wringer! I'd say - if you can run - I can run! It may sound silly but I never even thought of broaching the subject with my sports injury specialist doctor - until I 'talked' to you two. I have been seeing him since January for a leg issue and figured he'd not have an opinion on these kinds of things. Between you and Loves to Run - I'm going to talk to him about it at my next appointment. He may be very helpful.
Like I said - you guys have given me my second wind in pursuing this.
Thanks so much!!

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