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Unread 09-20-2010, 08:40 AM
low estradiol symptoms vs. low thyroid symptoms

Hi, I have having these symtoms. I do have an apt with a gyn in 2 weeks but not sure I trust him yet. I believe you should find an estrogen you feel good at, not just numbers. I think mine is LOW- i was under much physical and emotional stress for the last 8 months, and started walking for 2 months and lost 8 lbs. Plus I cut back a little on my estrogen thinking it was causing my tmj symptoms. No turned out it was posture and neck position. My theory is I used up alot of my estrogen.

I do realize that thryoid can be the great imitator......
Here are my symptoms:
itchy scalp, fatigue, little energy, anxiety. less full breasts, slight hair loss

I am wondering if I am not absorbing my estradiol from my patches now or if it is not enough.... I used some more of my estrogel that I use to supplement and I do feel calmer........hmmm.
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Unread 09-26-2010, 04:20 PM
Re: low estradiol symptoms vs. low thyroid symptoms

Hi Ann

You are right that the symptoms can be confusing concerning estrogen and thyroid. I have both issues, and really the only way to know which is causing the symptoms is by testing. Be sure and talk to your gyn at your next appointment.

Let us know how your appointment goes.

Unread 10-27-2010, 03:46 PM
Re: low estradiol symptoms vs. low thyroid symptoms

Amar I have been going through these problems myself for a while, but I will tell you that in my case, it wasn't just a simple matter of going on thyroid meds and upping the mg of the patch...

It seems like there is not an easy solution sometimes when it comes to both of these issues...so do your research, and ask lots of questions...don't jump to going on thyroid meds...when you go on the meds and up the dosage of estrogen, and things go wrong, you aren't going to be sure which is causing the problems...had I had to do over again, I would have approached one issue at a time...

I am at the point that I believe the doctor who put me on the the thyroid meds really doesn't know what she is doing and is just searching in the dark for the light switch....and waiting for 8 weeks for retesting, causing me to stay on a med that clearly was not agreeing with me...I believe that you have to be your own advocate with any medical dillemma...HRT is one of those isssues...we can try to be, but then we have to trust someone....
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Unread 10-27-2010, 09:04 PM
Re: low estradiol symptoms vs. low thyroid symptoms

Here is how it worked for me.

First, I was put on a 1 mg estradiol patch, and retested after two months, then my thyroid was tested. My thyroid was then adjusted, and I waited another 2 months. Then my thyroid was retested and adjustments were made and this continued until my thyroid was at an optimum level. Then my estrogen was adjusted, and I waited 2 months, then retested my thyroid and it was adjusted, and I waited another 2 months.....etc.

The most important hormone to keep at an optimum level is the thyroid. so anytime it needs adjusting the estrogen had to wait until the thyroid was right. Once my thyroid and estrogen were balanced, then we began the whole process again, adding in the progesterone. It took a little over 2 years, following this process to find a good balance in HRT and thyroid for me.

It is really important to allow the 6 - 8 weeks between changes because that is how long it takes for your body to get the full effects of the new dose. This is because of the half-life of the hormones. To make changes before then would cause confusion of symptoms.

It is extremely important to find a Dr who understands how all the hormones work together, when you have an additional hormone such as thyroid or even insulin to add to the mix. Then it is important to follow the Dr's orders and take the HRT/thyroid as prescribed in order to eventually find what works best for you.

I wish you the best, please understand that at this point patience is your best friend.

Unread 10-28-2010, 06:34 PM
Re: low estradiol symptoms vs. low thyroid symptoms

I had my follow up for my thyroid issue with an endo today, the gyn put me on the thyroid (armour), may have been a big mistake in my case...there are two school of thoughts on thyroid readings and need for the med...I did trust my gyn who has an integrative med office which insurance did not cover, I feel that I paid $500 to end up four months later feeling lousy...

The endo today, is young, and may not have years of experience, but she said based on my thyroid panel, I did not need the meds....I do know that the 1/4 grain of med, got me feeling a tad bit better, but, according to the dr today, a t3 count that looks low in numbers is actually HIGH???

confusing and very frustrating to say the least....but, I really feel the need to bump this dose of 1/2 grain down...and then see where I am....was put on the .75 vivelle....and not even sure whether that has hurt me or helped me...

my leg muscles are tight...even down to my feet..the last week has been a bad one, with the gastro problems coming back...

My feelings is this....if your regimen agrees with you, you have truly found something great, but if you are like me and vitamins can even trigger sensitive side effects, then it can be a relentless search that may never come....

I had no knowledge about thyroid meds before I went on them, and the doctor never told me that it was a never ending process of ups and downs..highs and lows...this stuff can go up or down before your next lab appt, and then what do you do? it is some scary stuff...especially if I should have taken a wait and see approach....

As it stands, I am going to try to lower the dose and see where I am...It does frighten me to mess with the thyroid levels....I wasn't in the Hashimoto ranges and apparently some doctors have to see this before you can get good info on the process....I guess I don't want to pay a gyn to monitor that very important gland in my body...

So, I have no idea where this will go for me....I may be on some thyroid med the rest of my life if things try to stop working...
Unread 12-13-2010, 02:55 AM
Re: low estradiol symptoms vs. low thyroid symptoms

I think I have read every book on thyroid conditions that the bookstore has! Here is what I can tell you for sure - with thyroid, you can't rely on the tests. Their "normal range" is so wide as to be useless unless you are actually at a disease state of way, way high or way, way low. With thyroid, you really have to go by symptoms. Kudos to your doc for putting you on Armour rather than a synthetic, by that alone I'd say it's a more educated doctor than most. The problem is that very few doctors know much about thyroid, you really need a specialist.

I would never, ever trust my thyroid care to a young doctor unless she was trained as a specialist. Even then, I wouldn't. I want someone who has treated hundreds of patients and has some real-world experience. But that's me.

You can google hypothyroidism and look at the symptoms. If you have the symptoms, then you probably have some degree of hypothyroidism. The meds take a while to work. Mine was four days, as I recall. I take a bio-identical compounded thyroid hormone. Stopped my hot flashes on day four.

Yes, it's an ongoing process to adjust, simply because the body is a living, flucuating system, not a machine. The first dosage is an educated guess, and from there you judge based on how you feel.

Since the endocrine system is just that - a system - the thyroid works in concert with the adrenals and the sex hormones. Uusually if one is out of whack, the others are too. The thyroid is the most important to get balanced first. It sounds like you were on the right track with Armour. And yes, many people do take thyroid meds on an ongoing basis.

If I were you I would definitely get some books and read up. You can try Mary Shomon's website and her book "Living Well with Hypothyroidism".

Good luck!

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