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TOO YOUNG TO DRY UP! Second menopause, worse x1000! TOO YOUNG TO DRY UP! Second menopause, worse x1000!

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Unread 04-13-2011, 03:05 PM
TOO YOUNG TO DRY UP! Second menopause, worse x1000!

Hello, Sisters!!! Is there anyone here who was Post-Menopausal PRE TAH/BSO??? I'm experiencing a HORRENDOUS surgical menopause that made my natural meno look like a cakewalk. In retrospect, I would have to say this current *event* is 1000 times worse than anything I endured a few years back, naturally.

In September I had a TAH/BSO...(was supposed to have been a total laparascopic procedure but ended up with 5 small incisions and one midline) Here is my "Long story short": multiple ovarian cysts persisting post-menopause, I'm thinking due to HEAVY stress...and a serious case of estrogen dominance, mostly environmental in origin (I live in farm country, tho previously hailed from pristine Northern Ca where these issues were naught...! where we are crop dusted, flooded with chemicals, and drink water tower slurry doused with all manner of lovely additives)...found me having EVERYTHING OUT last September.

I'd already been thru menopause, naturally, with a minimum of egregious symptom, Joy Joy happy happy...Honestly didn't calendar the *end* but looking back remember being thru around the age of 44 after sliding into the first noticeable symptoms around the age of 37. Having been plagued off and one with crazy ovarian cysts that would resolve one way or another, I just toughed it out and dealt with things thru exercise and dietary modifications...usually to my satisfaction. Not being one to EVER wallow in piles of pills or entertain other conventional medicinal interventions, I made it pretty well unscathed, and was feeling GREAT until Winter, 2010. WHAM. My peaceful pardon became months of suffering HORRIBLY painful breasts, bloating, headaches, nausea, & all manner of symptoms that failed to resolve sent me in for a slew of appts, tests and several least one complex cyst had the docs worried so off I was scuttled off (talk about terrifying!) to a Gyn-onc, who ordered me back after a short time for a re-exam and another ultrasound. Months of back and forth, cysts shrinking and growing, symptoms returning with a vengeance, I relented and agreed to the *STRONGLY* suggested hysterectomy...AND gave up my ovaries and appendix to boot.

I was assured the most I'd need, post menopausal as I was at the ripe old age of 47, healthy as I *WAS*...would be a little estrogen, which I didn't want to mess with having a family history of breast, ovarian and uterine cancers in our happy little album. Went home feeling everything I imagine one feels post surgery, but in a couple of weeks, I felt GREAT; progressively better, actually~almost AMAZING!!!~the first couple of months...and then it happened. I assume the remaining 25% of my hormones still in production have LEFT THE BUILDING and I am one extremely miserable, regularly devastatingly depressed, overly-apprehensive, fight-or-flight mode in ON position... and, oh yeah... ANGRY individual.

Rather than listing the symptoms I am enduring, it would be most expeditious to list those I am not: regular hotflashes. Nightsweats are on me like white on rice.

My previously lovely visage is MIA; my facial skin has deadened, dried, shrivelled, flaked and begun to sag. Nausea? Check. Irritibility? Check. Migraines? Check. Insomnia? Check. Double Check. EXTREME exhaustion? Falling asleep on my feet, basically? CHECK. Seriously, frustratingly declining vision? Yep. My thermostat feels broken? OMHeck YES. Word retrieval ISSUES? You betcha, much to my chagrine, as I'ma *recreational/professional* writer...or was. Short term memory probs? Well, I have returned 5-6 times to list additional symptoms, if that's any indication. I forget everything, even sentences as they leave my mouth lose their way.

It's mortifying. PARALYZING Anxiety attacks? OMG, check. Doesn't help that I never know, one day to the next, what I will see in the mirror in the morning. Dry mouth? Yep. Itching all over, randomly...with or without accompanying hives? Oh yeah. Yummy. Rashes and breakouts in the STRANGEST places? YES YES YES. My neck, today. T zone trauma? I look like I've had a cold for 7 years.

My face is raw, on fire, today. My gorgeous long hair, past my waist, was falling out in clumps. Of course, as predicted (My only other surgery had taken place in my early 20s so I really had little frame of reference; I was told I'd suffer *some* dryness...HAHAHA. Some.) the anesthesia did it's trick, as well...still feels dry, of course unless i shave my head, I've got several years of growth to trim off for a "fresh" start I'm now afraid may never happen, what with the sorry state of EVERYTHING i'm living with.

Depression? You BETCHA. I feel lost. I don't recognize myself. I am ANGRY beyond measure and feel like I've given up what should be the best years of my adult life to the whim and habit of careless modern physicians who don't give a **** about environmental concerns or factors. (Like I was crop dusted a week before the last big surge in symptoms!), the impact losing both ovaries can still have on a YOUNG post menopausal female...or the myriad and sundry physchological/physiological impacts such a drastic surgery will have. I was found to be cancer free, (Praise God!) with a happy ol' terratoma floating around in my abdomen which was removed and biopsied (benign) and I donated my appendix as well, I learned upon waking.

Bummer?? Here: --> I was (kinda still am) a healthy, physically fit, YOUNG and lovely misplaced Cali [email protected] top end of 47 at the time of my surgery. Now? I feel 79. 79 and *bleeped* off. The last month has been HELL. Phyto estrogen creams do little to quell the symptoms, and I've read so many horror stories about other creams, potions and lotions and I have no idea what to think/where to start. I do NOT want to have conventional HRT, for obvious reasons, do NOT take ANY prescription meds, do not drink or smoke...and USED to be a pretty active individual...I just really don't know what else to do. I can't afford a new skincare regime every few weeks...heck, this whole dilemna is already a household budget buster.

My quality of life is utterly in the toilet. I will welcome any suggestions, tips, commiseration...whatever you've got, bring it. I'm ready to drive my truck into a bridge...(if you live in MO, that statement will make sense. ) HELP!
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Unread 04-13-2011, 05:13 PM
Re: TOO YOUNG TO DRY UP! Second menopause, worse x1000!

You are reacting normally. I was post-menopausal after my hysterectomy, but ovaries left which soon quit on their own. However, when my dr did the ovary removal (same, cysts, pelvic mass, etc), widespread endometriosis was found and the remaining female parts were removed with words of "you may need HRT, but likely not since you were already post-menopausal"... boy were they wrong.

I only lasted 4 days post surgery before I begged for HRT. The soaking nights were awful. The vision changes were amazing and the dry skin, emotions, irritability, hair, etc.. I had it all.

I am now using HRT. When you refer to the "traditional" HRT, that you do not want to take, I'm not sure if you're referring to all of the options, both bio-identical and not. I took months to get balanced (some take years). And let me tell you it is so worth it. I could not live like that and put quality of life first. I do get annual mammograms and pap smears and see drs if problems arise. I feel like if things are monitored, hopefully something will be detected early if at all.

Consider your quality of life - you sound miserable and that's no way to live.. talk to your dr about HRT if you want it and there are so many options.

At the very least, consider vaginal estrogen supplementation (Vagifem, Estrace or Premarin Cream), as allowing things to atrophy in that area will really wreck your lovelife not to mention more yeast infections, UTIs, etc.

I take HRT for: bone health, brain health, skin health, mental and eye health, sexual health, urinary health, etc... there are receptors all over your body for estrogen and progesterone (and testosterone). Starving them (and you) of the hormones they can use to make your life better is a difficult option.

The OTC phyto creams, etc are all geared towards women in "natural menopause" who still produce up to 40% of the hormone amounts they made pre-menopause. We are different, none, zip, nada...

I understand the cancer concern. If you decide to go the HRT route with your doctor, at least things can be monitored, breast exams, pap smears, mammograms, labwork, etc...

I used to live in MO. Yes I got it.
Unread 04-14-2011, 12:33 AM
Re: TOO YOUNG TO DRY UP! Second menopause, worse x1000!

I so understand...and what adds to it all is docs don't acknowledge the connections often...

Find one that does.
Calypso really expressed it all well...I, too battled it all...I hadn't gotten to menopause..but was very perimenopausal...its been the hardest thing in my life.

I had a bout with hormonal depression before this...and knew what hormone loss could do..this contributed to me putting of my surgery despite very large tumors...I have a high pain threshold and I can honestly say I would rather have the tumors then all the loss of myself and my body functions this has taken...

As Calypso shared it affects to much..there are receptors everywhere.

I was having horrible dry eye to the point my eyes just ached..I add a little bit of testosterone back when I read that it was needed for this and it helped immensely...
It was wild to me that hormones even affect your eyes...AND so much more.

Getting your hormones in a range that you feel best at keeping them in the range helps have to be more viligant then women with ovaries ..for the ovaries can compensate for extra exercise or stress that depletes...

For me regular blood levels has given me a way to stay above a crash and feel more in control...

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