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Unread 06-11-2012, 12:26 PM
I think I found a solution

Wow ladies! I swear I finally found the solution and cause to why this is process is so absolutely terrible and depressing and I knew I owed it to post here and hopefully change someone's life. So here goes my story.

I have been the girl that cried wolf on these forums many times. I would do my hormones and as soon as I felt well I thought, OMG! its over! I have my soul back! Id post here about it because of how happy I was. But no matter what I tried over a year and a half I could not seem to get that feeling to last ever!

My breaking point came when I got my hormones tested months ago and my estradiol was simply a 37. I was so angry because I had been on so many sources but I wasnt absorbing. On top of that, the progesterone made the depression I was experiencing a ton worse. However, my fatigue was gone on it so I suffered through it.

Progressively, I lost my breast size, brain fog became unbearable, loss of self, messed up metabolism, facial hair, freezing hands and feet, etc. I was at a loss. And then my miracle came.

6 months ago I had been very sick with a bad cold and my doctor wanted to place me on prednisone. I always rejected this because I knew it messed with hormones and God only knows I couldnt deal with anymore of that. So i put it off. Finally, a month ago my doctor said I need to get on it now because my ears are so swollen he was surprised I could hear.

From the 2nd day on the prednisone, I swear, my soul came back into my body and I felt so much better than any hormone Id ever been on. Why is that? So I immediately threw myself into researching exactly what prednisone is. It is synthetic cortisol, a hormone produced by the adrenal glands. So I went to my doctor, and he said maybe I have lupus or some autoimmune condition thats causing inflammation and thats why the prednisone helped me. So, I literally got tested for every disease, autoimmune illness, candida, everything you name it I did it (I had so much blood taken from me that day!). It turned out, all my tests were perfect and I had nothing wrong in the disease department. So, confused I could not understand why I felt great on the prednisone, and as it wore off, I fell back into the same black hole.

My doctor then said it could be my thyroid since I am showing tons of hypothyroid symptoms. I was referred to a thyroid specialist who put me on a trial dose of thyroid hormone to see if it would help, even though my TSH numbers were excellent. I can tell you, the emotional / physical side effects of this trial were the worst Id ever been through and I lost my hunger altogether and put on weight. So then the answer finally came.

My issue is adrenal fatigue. Thats right. Its that simple. My adrenals are fatigued and when you have adrenal fatigue, your body's own production of progesterone, testosterone, and estrogen go down, the response to thyroid hormone produced by your body dies immensely which is where the hypothyroid symptoms come from. Why do I and so many of us who go through this develop adrenal fatigue?

Because this hysterectomy surgery is so taxing on the body right? All surgeries create some sort of stress on the adrenals. BUT why do so many of us in particular who have had a hysterectomy have problems that are horrible because of it? The key is in fact ESTROGEN. We are put on estrogen hormone replacement therapy while still recovering from a state of adrenal fatigue. I have immensely researched this and learned that giving a person estrogen in a condition of adrenal fatigue (due to the body's natural healing process from surgery) is akin to throwing fuel on the fire. WHY? Because the adrenals are not able to produce hormones such as progesterone etc to balance it, therefore they respond by producing excessive amounts of cortisol.

In fact, this is what my body had been doing for the longest time. Producing excessive cortisol in response to estrogen was the problem, and taking progesterone never solved the issue for me because my adrenals are still not healed or recovered. So, in essence, taking progesterone hrt was like placing a temporary bandaid on a growing problem. So, why is excessive cortisol then such a problem for us. Excessive cortisol makes the brain much less sensitive to estrogen. Um, BRAIN FOG anyone? The cause is right here. When your body is less sensitive to estrogen, you have all the symptoms of estrogen deficiency, no matter how much estrogen you are taking. This was my problem for the longest time.

Ok, so now we know the problem is adrenal fatigue and cortisol being produced excessively. So, why did taking more cortisol in the form of prednisone make me feel better? Because whenever you put a hormone into your body from an outside source, your own natural production of that hormone STOPS. Therefore, my adrenals stopped going into overdrive, and were actually resting and HEALING. This is why I felt so much better. Also, I want to make known that adrenals weakening happens in stages where cortisol can stage 2-3 is quite high, but as you continue to live in this state, your adrenals eventually stop producing cortisol entirely because of their weakness. Therefore, its best to look into this before you go too far into adrenal insufficiency.

The recovery process for adrenal fatigue is a long one and requires you to be on vitamins/ herbs and cut out sugar for months to a year. But I can truly say, after one month of doing this, I feel so much better and I LOOK so much better than I have. Oh and better yet, my estradiol level JUMPED from 37 from last time to 532 (very high obviously) recently. So, it seems my body has become much more sensitized to estrogen again and is why I am feeling better.

Anyways, I had to share this with you all because I truly do believe I found the cure for many of us who cant get balanced no matter what combination we try. If you are still in the jungle and cant be balanced, I beg of you to please look into adrenal fatigue. It will change your life. I know it has changed mine.

EDIT: I would also like to add that if you're doctor tells you of course you have adrenal fatigue, because your hormones are low and once you replace them your adrenal fatigue will go away. THIS IS THE BIGGEST MYTH EVER! I know because I have been put on everything (estrogen, progesterone, testosterone) and they did absolutely nothing to cure it. You have to replenish the source DIRECTLY and let them heal on their own. Its a completely separate issue than just giving your body hormones. So please be prepared to fight your doctor on this! Also, most doctors only recognize adrenal INSUFFICENCY (adrenal failure) and are not educated on how to treat adrenal fatigue stages leading up to it. They might say it does not exist, but logic dictates that there is NO SUCH THING as an organ being either 100% healthy or 100% failure. There is obviously a degenerative state in between so you may need to call and ask doctors specifically if they are experienced in treating adrenal fatigue as opposed to adrenal failure.
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Unread 06-11-2012, 01:45 PM
Re: I have found the miracle reason for those who have been in the jungle forever REA

Uhmmm..I take prednisone daily for my lupus, and the more I need to take of it..the lower my estrogen dips..its only 15 right now and I feel horrible. My doctors warned me it interferes with hormones..great!
Seems all the meds I need to take eat up all my estrogen.

Thanks

Gursie
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Unread 06-11-2012, 03:14 PM
Re: I think I found a solution



Since January, this is the third miracle you have found. Hopefully for you the old saying is true: "Third times the charm!"

I would strongly recommend you work with a knowledgeable doctor if you have adrenal fatigue. My DS's math teacher was forced to retire because of adrenal fatigue and it has nothing to do with estrogen or a hysterectomy for him but is drastically affecting his life.

There is a lot of hype out there these days regarding adrenal fatigue and the adrenal glands in general, but not very much of it is very well documented. Do you have reputable sources you can share?

I do wish you well and hope you are able to work with a medical team to help you feel your best.

s
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Unread 06-11-2012, 07:31 PM
Re: I think I found a solution

I some what belive this as they did test mine when I was in the er they admited me. Thought I was dying. My heart wouldnt stop yet my bp was very low I was shacking dizzy I would forget what I was doing. So the first test came back on the high side. No one at thar time test my hormones. But tried the prog and spiraled down tried up the est still bad. High anxiety. Panick insomina. I would have to say was it the chicken or the egg. So after months of hell. I took the prog out got put on ssri and that helped me to relax while I let the est ride. I was so afraid of it.but after a few weeks then adding gel a lil at a time my e finally rose. So there may be some truth as cortisal can cause havoc. I dont touch sugar. When I do I get bad headaches. Hope you found it girl I get how you feel
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Unread 06-11-2012, 11:04 PM
Re: I think I found a solution

When your body is under stress, whether emotional or physical, it causes a rise in cortisol. If you continue in that state for an extended period of time, your body won't be able to produce enough when it needs to. This isn't the case for everyone, but for many of us, fixing the imbalances brings the stress level down and the cortisol production can slowly normalize. Unfortunately, it's a SLOW process.
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Unread 09-14-2012, 11:18 AM
Re: I think I found a solution

Ok, I couldn't wait to post on here! I am discovering the same exact thing. I have been suffering for 10 years with massive brain fog, extreme fatigue, no sex drive, not sleeping well etc..... The more estrogen I took the more symptoms of not having enough I would get so they would put me on more. Progesterone doesn't do a thing it makes me more tired. I have been put on thyroid and it makes me more tired or I can go up to 3 grains and my body temp stays the same but I get heart palputations which I am prone to any how.
The funny thing is all 16 drs I have seen over these 10 years have all mentioned adrenal issues but only one of them tried to help, she gave me hydrocortisone but only 5mg, so of course it did nothing.
This explains everything for me!! How do I get my dr to help?
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Unread 09-16-2012, 12:36 PM
Re: I have found the miracle reason for those who have been in the jungle forever REA

when I was given cortisol shots for my hip/piriformis problem it sent my estrogen plummeting. This happened again when I was given medrol or some type of prednisone prior to back surgery.. I only lasted one day on those pills and dr. told me to stop them--depressed, crying, feeling warm.... Everyone is different with how they react to meds. My dad feels great, on top of the world euphoria type feelings with prednisone. I on the other hand, get very depressed and sleepy. I'm glad it helps you. I have to stay away from prednisone or any drug like it.
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Unread 09-16-2012, 12:44 PM
Re: I think I found a solution

E2Me2 makes a good point. I did read in Dr. Vliet's book "Screaming to be heard" that estradiol helps to keep cortisol down while progesterone raises it. Thats why I think, when women who don't supplement with estrogen when E2 drops that their joints hurt, muscle acles, pain tolerance drops. Cortisol causes imflammation, the swelling follows....etc. If it is estradiol that holds cortisol down then this makes sense. I know when I am low on e I notice more joint aches, pain. sore muscles. When I up the dose a little for a while these all go away for me without taking anything else, even advil (alot of the time)
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Unread 09-16-2012, 02:53 PM
Re: I think I found a solution

I had adrenal fatigue years ago before it was so well-known. I had to take large amount of vitamins, herbs and bovine adrenal gland. (I'd really have a problem taking that now with mad-cow out there.) It took me a few months to start to feel better and most of year to be healed.

I had a myriad of symtpoms, but one of the hallmarks for anyone who wonders if they have it is this: if at 8:00 am you are so exhausted you can't stand it, and at 6:00 pm you are finally starting to feel human, every single day, then you most likely have adrenal fatigue. At the time, I had 15 mins to drive to work and would be so tired it would make me sick. i'd go out to my car and take naps at lunch time. Then when I could finally start to go home, I would start perking up. I even quit a job I had (before I got diagnosed) becuzse I just thought it was the job.

I have no clue how this would affect my hormones right now, but I know I don't have it and haven't had it again since then but I was under an extreme amount of physical and mental stress at the time.
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Unread 09-17-2012, 09:00 AM
Re: I think I found a solution

Stress can bring this about as well, as seen in some of these comments. I think the post-op stress period has a lot to do with it as well. Your hormones are all over the place, the body is in a state of confusion and your brain is trying to get it all under control. New baselines are set to bring the system back in balance and cortisol may be one of those that gets set higher than it should because of pain and stress.

This is what happened to me, I think. It's part of why I'm here advocating for a low stress healing space when I post. I truly think this is what tips the whole system into a tailspin.

I've found that tipping my HRT estrogen/progesterone balance to favor estrogen to be the most helpful. I still have to take progesterone because it helps me with inflammation flare-ups.

I've also found eating an anti-inflammation diet to be extremely helpful. The other thing I've found helpful is turmeric and watching your magnesium levels.
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