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Unread 11-30-2002, 06:48 PM
curious about Detrol

I have been taking Detrol LA for bladder spasms. Is this meant to be a permanent med or temporary? I didn't think to ask my doc when he gave me a fist full of samples and a script. Between the Detrol and the Vagefem, I feel pretty good. Every morning I start to not take it and chicken out. I hate bladder spasms! The pain was getting unbearable. If I stop taking it, will it work again if I need to start again? I ask that because I was told that another med I take may not work if I go off then back on. Thanks a bunch!
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Unread 11-30-2002, 07:48 PM
curious about Detrol

Hi Karlene

I did a little bit of research on Detrol LA and found this web-site:

They do state:

The importance of continuing treatment
You should continue to take DETROL LA as your doctor has prescribed. If DETROL LA works for you, its effects normally last as long as you continue to take it. If you stop taking DETROL LA, your symptoms may return.
So it would seem that you have to continue treatment until your doctor tells you to stop. Soooo.... I guess this means that you should give your doctor a call
Unread 11-30-2002, 08:34 PM
curious about Detrol

My mother is on the Detrol but for incontinence not spasms. I believe you can stop it and re start. It takes a bit of time to work.( a few days) Her insurance only covers $24.00 of it, her portion to pay is $168.00!!!!! Enough for 60 days. She will stay on it forever because it works for her and she loves it.

Question: why is your bladder having spasms?
Take care,
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Unread 12-01-2002, 12:07 PM
curious about Detrol

{{{Dany}}} thank you for your hard work. I don't know why I didn't think to do that! It's a great site!

{{{Maralyn }}} Thanks for the input about your mom and good question!
Speculation is because of the vaginal atrophy, I kept getting UTI's. Plus ,I passed a kidney stone which caused further irritation on a bladder that had to be repaired during surgery. I also had a fibroid that had grown around my right ureter cutting the flow to a trickle. The thing is, my 1 year post op is in Jan. and I was thinking that my bladder should have had enough of a rest that it would be healed and I wouldn't need the Detrol. The truth is, my gyn nor my urologist know. They are just speculating. It sounds good anyway
's Karlene
Unread 12-01-2002, 11:51 PM
curious about Detrol

Hi again Karlene,

Sorry, I had company and just now got back on line. Have an x-ray to see if you have another stone. I just passed a 5mm stone that had been making my bladder spasm since May. The spasms were all day and in the night.. no matter what I was doing. Six months of pain, spasm and bladder problems...I blamed it all on my enlarged uterus and fibroids! And of course after I hatched the rock I new different. Doctor said that the stone was odd shaped and too large and it kept trying to get into the bladder causing the spasms. Don't you just love passing stones?

New x ray shows that I have 3 more in my kidneys now. I also had one 10 years ago. This last one nearly got me down. The urologist said to never go through that again...i'm to come in and he will laser it which will break it all up.

This may not be the reason for you, but it is certainly something that is easy enough to rule out. And I've been told more than once, that once you have a stone it's common to get others. Would rather have another stone than something wrong with the ureter...if the doctor crimped it during your surgery a year ago would you be having spasms now? He must have tested it during surgery after removing the fibroid.

Do you use hormone cream vaginally to treat the atrophy?
Read somewhere how helpful it is. What's vagefem?

I'm sorry you're having continued problems after surgery. I sure hope you get some relief and answers. Hate taking drugs. To my knowledge, the Detrol will just calm your symptoms ...not cure or heal the cause of your symtoms...unless your bladder is irritated and just needs the rest.

Good luck with this. You're almost fixed...just alittle more of something...perhaps a second opinion from a new urologist?
Unread 12-02-2002, 12:06 AM
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Vagifem is a vaginal estrogen tablet that you insert. It's a lot easier to use than the creams or gels and seems to be more effective for many.

Karlene: Is it possible that the Vagifem isn't enough for you, or isn't in the right form? And have you taken a look at your food intake? I ask this one as I know that caffeine is the certain way to bladder spasms for me, and I can cut their incidence in half just by drinking decaf coffee in the morning (of course, then I pay for the lack of caffeine in other ways ).

I do know that Detrol is considered to be a "safe" drug, although if you do have repeated kidney stones, you need to have them run some labs that test your calcium metabolism to see why you manufacture them. My dad had stones for years. It turned out that his parathyroid gland was over-producing calcium, and he took medication to reduce it for some time. Eventually they removed the gland, and he's only had one since, which was an old one that they knew about from before.

And it is also possible that the Vagifem isn't enough for you. I find that I'm doing better with the Estring, which has more even dosing, than I've done with anything else that I have tried. Might consider asking about a change?

I know how miserable these are . If the Detrol is helping, why not? And remember the "little things": keep up your hydration with water mostly, drink cranberry juice (NOT the cocktail, which is mostly sugar, but try to get the real thing at a health food store)...and if you've not done so already, try cutting back on the caffeine to see if that helps.

Unread 12-02-2002, 09:24 AM
curious about Detrol

See you were up late last night too Audrey. Thanks for the tip on Vagifem. It's exactly what I meant when I said hormone cream. But, the name sounds so over-the-counter common that I wasn't sure. And tablet would be alot easier. Thanks

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