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Unread 02-08-2003, 12:27 AM
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Sorry ladies... I've been soooooo busy with much on my plate. With my schedule working full time during the day, teaching at the college at night, caring for 2 girls and a husband, taking the girls to their piano lessons and swimming lessons and trying to make ends meet. As you know my husband is laid off. He is very helpful though.

He is taking a correspondence course to become a building inspector and he is also taking CADD at the college here too. He is home during the day and when we are not here, he takes the opportunity to study.

Now the update of me... I was taking the estrogen patch since Dec. 2000. Then last spring I was complaining about my mood swings, irritability and finding that I just have a very short fuse. I was taking .5 and the Doc could not find anything wrong so he upped the dosage to .75. That was fine. I have been on it. Just the first week in January I decided to quit. I was not feeling any better and just felt more tired all the time and I guess depressed too. I thought that if I quit maybe things might improve some for me. That is what I did.

I heard through someone about the headaches. I have had headaches for years. Often it is migraine headaches. I have to wear sunglasses when I get them. I often take Tylenol #1 to help. Problem is 2 tablet don't work anymore then I take 3 then that don't work after a while then I take 4 for a while then 5 then 6 and it just keeps on increasing. I talked to a friend of mine and I have discovered that your body build tolerance and needs increase dosage after a time. Not only that, the Tylenol also feeds on the headaches. I have been taking this over the years and this year after finding out that I have just quit cold turkey. I am quite proud of my self.

I have started to work out in the gym with weight lifting, running for a mile and a half and swim 20 laps. I sure feel so much better and am getting more energy. I am staying alert longer that I have in the past. I am also losing some of those pounds I've gained since surgery. I still have that pouch on my belly and will work on that. Some will about to come off eventually.

Well, that is that! KimM Good to see you are still around and kicking. We never got a chance to have a hysterita yet. Did you? Kim, have you heard anything from Gidge? Is she okay?

Big s to all of you,
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Unread 02-08-2003, 09:32 AM
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Thats great that you are doing so good now !!! Sure gives the rest of us some much needed inspiration.
You asked about Gidge - she's doing great, just had another surgery & was able to achieve some relief thru it ( Gidge ).
Thanks so much for posting & letting us know how you've been - good to hear from ya !

Unread 02-09-2003, 07:19 AM
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It's good to 'see' you again I'm so glad things are finally looking up for you So you stopped using HRT all together? Some women report feeling good too w/o any Hormone Replacement. We do have a forum here called The No-Hormone Desert Oasis where there are others who cant/choose not too, that has some excellent info if you ever have any questions or concerns...
Also, I would discuss taking some supplements to help protect your bones & heart, as well as the other things Hormones do for us...

RE: using Tylenol in large quanities can also cause toxicity, liver damage The max amount is 4500 mgs per day. Here are a couple links w/info on this:

Tylenol Toxicity:

The Tylenol Toxicity Issue:

I'm glad you stopped using this in such large amounts. Your friend was right about the chance of it causing rebound headaches...are you still having problems with the headaches Dale? There can be a connection between hormones & migraines, has your Dr ever determined the type of headaches you suffer? On another forum here there were a few ((Sisters)) suffering from the hormonal migraines & I found some interesting info on thoses..here are the links to what I have:

Hormonal Migraines:

Migraines & Hormones:

Article from a Women who had a Hyst for Hormonal Migraines:

The Migraine Menstration Connection:

Why women have more Migraines:

Thanks for the update Dale Hopefully your health will only continue to improve! Please post when you can & let us know how your going....(((hugs)))
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Unread 02-09-2003, 08:25 AM
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I was curious too, did you go cold turkey on the HRT?? what made you decide too? Sounds like everything else is going great with exception to the headaches, I wonder if they aren't hormone related too!! I got nasty ones with PMS but was never diagnosed with migraines etc. SHERI is right I bet the ladies in the desert might know of some supplements etc that could relieve some of them. Please be careful with the Tylenol like she said it can be toxic and our bodies do build tolerances to meds. I use to sleep all day if I took percocet, now I can take it and function almost totally.

I hope everything continues great for you and you find a solution to the headaches.... so glad to hear a sister off the road and doing good.

Unread 02-09-2003, 02:28 PM

First off, I never experienced headaches before and had no clue what it was till I was 13 1/2 years old. I then found out what an headache was. It started when I was hit by a car while being a pedestrian crossing the street corner at a very busy intersection with the traffic light on a raining day. My headaches then were not so bad. Then when I was 25 years old, after getting off a bus to go back to the university at 5:30 pm on Dec. 24th, someone came up from behind me and grabbed me. I fell down and hit my head on the wwater meter that had a cover on it on the ground. The guy was trying to take my purse. Due to my fall, I was not able to respond and because of the impact of the fall, my hearing aid came flying off from my ear. I was not able to hear what the guy was saying. He tried to get my purse but I was in a position that my purse was tangled up. He then stepped on my face several times knocking my glasses off. Up to this day, I still have a small bump on my head and the memory of that day has lived with me since. I had recieved a concussion as I awoke the next morning, the whole room was spinning. It took almost a year for that to dissolve. Whats more I know that my mother and my sister also get migraine headaches so the heredity also come to play here as well. I have complained to this to my doctor and they don't seem to take me seriously. Pretty sad with the medical system. It is obviously they had some abuses along the line somewhere and they chose not to take things too seriously anymore. Yes, you are right about the Tylenol... I never knew about the toxicity. I will look that up and see for the information you have given me. Thanks.

Gotta go now. Take care and will come back again.
s to you all,
Unread 02-10-2003, 01:47 PM
Tylenol and over counter meds

I have read that it doesn't have to be a large dose of Tylenol to be extremely toxic to liver. I also just read in a health magazine of a recent report on high blood pressure connected with over the counter pain meds, ie., Tylenol type, ibuprophen, etc. It doesn't have to be alot, either, just a couple of tabs. a week. Surprised me. Told my Mother because she takes Tylenol when she has aches and pains. (and has high blood pressure!)
Unread 02-10-2003, 05:32 PM
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It's good to see you and I'm so happy that you're doing so well!

Headaches can certainly be hrt related. I've had problems with headaches off and on since my hyst.

Yes, we certainly need to have that hysterrita Pool party at Kim M's!

Keep in touch and keep us posted on how you're doing. You can give us all hope that there really is an exit ramp!
Unread 02-11-2003, 04:34 PM
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Hi Dale here I am!! (thanks so much for asking it makes me feel wanted!!!)

I haven't been around much, yes I am having some relief from my laparotomy in Sept....have had a couple episodes of the "bad" pain in the last month which scared me pretty bad, but they went away and havent' been back.....so who knows?

And it seems if I lift anything or try to do sit ups my right sided groin pain is there with a vengence so my GP said no lifting no exercise till 12mths post op from this......and we'll go from there!!!
My bladder is still hinky and I am still on the ditropin which we're attributing still to the surgery and my IC......most of the time it's bearable, but if I do too much walking my bladder really hurts......go figure?

That's the update on me, I"m overjoyed to hear how well you're doing......good for you sweetie.....a BC girl has success!!!! Yay!!! :dance2:

Now don't you go away on us ok? Keep up posted on how well you're doing!!! 's!!!
Unread 02-16-2003, 12:39 AM
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Thank you you all! I don't know if I have been that successful just yet. I am trying to work things out with my body here. Since I have quit the hrt, I will put up with it for a while. I do experience several episodes of and am trying to put up with it for the time being. When I had my surgery, doc told me that I would be around 51 before I stop taking the hrt. I have thought long and hard about this. I'm simply not happy with some of the things docs here in Kamloops have done for me. I am coming down to Vancouver to see my GP and tell him about this. Plus, I want a good thorough check up for everything. Including my heart. This doc is the doc I have ever trusted. So, I will let you all know when I get the results. I go to see him on March 17th. I can then vent out all my complaints to him. I just hope that I don't overwhelm him with all the complaints I have. I guess I have been saving it up for him.

s to you all,
Unread 02-16-2003, 07:30 AM
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My life is one big Hot Flash Here is some info that has helped me..I am unable to use HRT due to a blood clotting disorder, my lone left Ovary was left non-functioning due to an altered blood supply..

Herbs of Special Interest to Women:

Managing menopause without hormones: http://www.allwise.com/topic/may98.html

Discusses the special balancing concerns of the first three months after a hyst:

What we mean by 'HRT':

Effects of phytoestrogens investigated:

WebMD advice on how to compensate for no HRT boiled down:
Excellent post by Trish

Menopause, Estrogen Loss, and Their Treatments: http://www.umm.edu/patiented/doc40.html

Hope this helps DaleGood Luck & pls keep us posted..((hugs))

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