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How Do You Sleep? How Do You Sleep?

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Unread 04-13-2003, 10:23 AM

I was just thinking about your situation & remembered a ((Sister)) here who had repairs done & ended up with something called *over corrected Bladder repair* it was to tight and caused more Incontinence instead of helping..wonder if this could be something that is causing your problems? Can you call the Uro & see if he will move your appt date up?
I'm gonna look around & see if I can find some info on that...((hugs))
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Unread 04-13-2003, 01:17 PM
How Do You Sleep?

I am so sorry you are continuing to have problems even after these surgeries. I hope your Uro Doc will be able to come up with some added help. And maybe you will be able to try some type of sleep aid too, I know how critical it is to get the proper amount and type of sleep for your health.

Please keep us posted, hopefully SHERI will come up even so more info for you.

Unread 04-13-2003, 04:33 PM
How Do You Sleep?

Here are 2 links I found w/info on this:

I'll keep looking
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Unread 04-13-2003, 09:22 PM
How Do You Sleep?

THANK YOU for all of your care and concern.
I am so tired yet dread going to bed. I wonder if this new dr will see something the others didn't. Obviously, my gyno has not been happy with my uro or she would never have suggested the uro/gyno....who knows?

I've been sleeping in my daughters bed while she is away at school...its nice to watch tv or get up and not disturb anyone. BUT school will end soon - sniff sniff.

I think my family room may be getting a pull out couch or futon!
Unread 04-13-2003, 09:30 PM
How Do You Sleep?

I personally get most of my sleep during the day..

I also take xanax to help me sleep, but I also end up most of the night. I probably get at most, 4, maybe 5 hours of sleep at night, some nights it is only 2 to 3.

Sleeping for me is a problem due to my back pain. I can NEVER get comfortable and if I do happen to wake up I am in so much pain I end up pacing as well.

I hope you got some good advise from the ladies on how to help you sleep better and I hope you have gotten some rest by now..

Unread 04-13-2003, 09:44 PM
How Do You Sleep?

PAM - I know what you mean about back pain.
Do you work? I am working only 2 days a week and do as many projects as I can here so not to be considered a "slacker".
Unread 04-14-2003, 02:29 AM
How Do You Sleep?

I'm up now due to my back & arm pain hurting soo bad I couldnt sleep...I took extra meds to help too
Didnt you have surgery on your back previously?
In the past couple yrs, my Pain Drs have found DDD, Spinal Arthritis, 2 bad discs, Scoliosis, Sciatica, some sort of radicular pain which they are now assuming is caused by my SI Joint & Hypermobility syndrome. I recently developed shingles & it caused nerve damage in my right arm & shoulder leaving me w/ Post-Herpatic Neuralgia, it is sooo painful. I have tried various treatments...Epidurals, PT, TEN's unit, Back brace, Traction, U/S Therapy...I do get some relief with the TEN's unit. What is the cause of yours? Hope you are having better success sleeping right now Pls keep us posted....(((hugs)))
Unread 04-14-2003, 08:57 AM
How Do You Sleep?

I have neck and back pain due to about 5 herniated discs and same as you ddd - also have spinal stenosis - but NO arthritis! lol

I used PT, a TENS unit and many meds and shots. The ones that helped my neck were the shots they would put me out for and then search with a camera/computer monitor and inject pain med right at the right spot. I am going to pain mgmt Wed and maybe will get those for my back and neck once more.

Lately have been suffering with heel pain as well..just what I need - one more thing!

Between the pain and the pee - there is not much sleeping going on!
Unread 04-14-2003, 09:44 AM
How Do You Sleep?

Originally posted by LaurLaur
Lately have been suffering with heel pain as well..just what I need - one more thing!

Between the pain and the pee - there is not much sleeping going on! [/b]

Hopefully, the Pain Mgmt Dr will be able to provide you with some relief There are several treatments they have for back pain maybe they will find the right one this time Here is some info I have found on back problems when looking for some relief myself:

Epidural Injections and the Lumbar Spine: Preservatives in Spinal Injections
Since the withdrawal of oil-based myelography Depo-Medrol and Depo-Medrone have become the principal cause of clinically significant adhesive arachnoiditis in the Western world. Depo-Medrol (and other similar suspensions) are being administered epidurally as routine off-label and ill-advised, treatments for back pain. The rationale given for the use of these suspensions is that their main ingredient, methylprednisolone, is an anti-inflammatory agent.

" Although basically true in concept, suspensions of synthetic glucocorticoids are effective anti-inflammatory agents; but they also contain preservatives such as polyethylene glycol, known better as a anti-freeze in car cooling systems. Other preservatives include alcohol. Both ethylene glycol and alcohol are well-recognized toxic agents if introduced into the sub-arachnoid space.

" As with any "off-label" use of a drug or device their application is dependent upon the individual doctor’s discretion and clinical judgment. It is the individual physician who then takes personal responsibility for this.

" In both the U.S. and England epidural steroid injection (ESI) in the treatment of back pain is practiced extensively and by a variety of clinicians including general practitioners, anesthesiologists, radiologists and specially trained physiotherapists."

Medication alone may not be enough to manage certain kinds of pain. Some medicines are more effective in fighting pain when they are combined with other methods of treatment. In some cases, the patient's pain condition may respond to treatment instead of medication. In fact, for some patients, certain therapies may eventually replace the need for taking any pain medicine, or less of it, over time. Here are just some of the available treatments being used successfully to treat pain patients.Injection treatments - Local anesthetics (such as Novocain®), with or without cortisone-like medicines, can be injected around nerve roots and into muscles or joints. These medicines reduce swelling, irritation, muscle spasms and abnormal nerve activity that can cause pain.

Nerve blocks - Often a group of nerves, called a plexus or ganglion, that causes pain to a specific organ or body region can be blocked with local anesthetics. If successful, another solution that numbs the nerves can then be injected.Physical and aquatic therapy - The physiatrist or physical therapist may suggest an exercise program tailored for you that will increase your daily functioning and decrease your pain. Other treatments may include whirlpool therapy, ultrasound and deep-muscle massage.

Electrical stimulation - Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS) is the most common form of electrical stimulation used in pain management. It is not painful and does not require needles or medicine. TENS consists of a small, battery-operated device that can diminish pain by stimulating nerve fibers through the skin.Acupuncture - This ancient Chinese practice uses very thin needles at very specific points on the skin to treat disease and pain. Practitioners of acupuncture undergo specialized training in these techniques and may offer this treatment for certain painful conditions.Psychological support - Many patients who are in pain feel the emotional effects of suffering along with the physical aspects of pain. These may include feelings of anger, sadness, hopelessness or despair. In addition, pain can alter one's personality, disrupt sleep, interfere with work and relationships and often have a profound effect on family members. Support and counseling from a psychiatrist or psychologist, combined with a comprehensive pain treatment program, may be needed to help you manage your condition. These trained professionals also can teach you additional self-help therapies such as relaxation training or biofeedback to relieve pain, lessen muscle spasms and reduce stress.Surgery - When necessary, surgical treatment may be recommended. In rare instances when severe pain has not responded to other treatments and procedures, surgery on certain nerves can be done to give the patient some relief and allow them to resume near-normal activities. Usually all other avenues of treatment are tried before surgery is considered. top

Because this is a highly specialized field of medicine that is still growing, not every community has a pain treatment center yet. These centers are called by many different names, including: pain clinic, pain management center, pain center, pain unit or pain service. These facilities may be in a wing of your local hospital or medical center, in a separate medical-professional building or in a doctor's office. Some are affiliated with medical schools and large health care centers.Where can I find a pain treatment center, and how do I decide if it's the right one for me?
There are many different forms of pain treatment and therapy, and one center may offer a service or specific kind of specialist that another center does not have. Some have pain medicine doctors on staff, and others may offer only nonmedical treatments such as acupuncture and massage therapy. Thus before consenting to treatment, it is best to find out what types of pain therapies are offered, what the specialists' credentials are and if they have successfully helped others with your type of pain.To find a pain medicine doctor or pain specialist, generally your regular doctor should be able to refer you to an individual or group who offers services that are best for helping your specific pain problem. If your doctor is not able to refer you, try the sources below:1. Call your local hospital or medical center and ask if they have a pain treatment center there or if they are affiliated with a pain treatment center or clinic nearby.2. If your area does not have a specialized pain treatment center, ask the hospital to connect you to the Department of Anesthesiology. They may have doctors on staff who can provide treatment or who can refer you to another hospital.3. If your local hospital does not have information on a pain treatment center, contact the nearest school of medicine, which is usually affiliated with a private college or state university. (Medical school listings are available at the public library.) Ask them if they offer pain treatment or if they have research programs that study pain.4. If you have access to the Internet, you can obtain information through the American Society of Anesthesiologists (ASA). While ASA does not maintain a list of pain centers nationwide, we may be able to assist you with some additional information in your area.Throughout the generations, pain has been a unique, often misunderstood condition that affects every age, gender, ethnic and social group all over the world. It can occur for many reasons, and there is no one "silver bullet" that can cure pain. Yet great progress in pain medicine has been made in recent years and is expected to advance further as doctors learn more about the causes of pain.

MMG - Patient Education Low Back Pain:

AAOS Online Service Patient Education Brochures:

Helping people make informed decisions about spine surgery:

All About Back & Neck Pain:

End Back pain:

Lumbar discography for back pain diagnosis:

A Patient's Guide to Degenerative Disc Disease:

information about epidural injections:

What's a herniated disc, pinched nerve, bulging disc…?

Where does it hurt? Categories of back pain:

The myths and reality of back pain:

Treatments for Pain:

Low Back Pain -- When is Imaging Needed?

A Patient's Guide to Lumbar Herniated Disc:

Backache Pain -- Discovery Health -- pain, backache:

Good Luck
Unread 04-14-2003, 09:44 AM
How Do You Sleep?

No I do not work. Right now I am not able to even go out of the house!!

I quit my job to go to school full time and then all of this hit me!

I also have DDD and herniated discs and am waiting patiently (NOT) for a round of epidural steroid injections. I see yet ANOTHER neurosurgeon on the 15th of May.

I hope your feeling better. I need to go get some daytime sleep.....


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